Hello, everyone...

As seen under each and every post that i have made, i ensure that code i give works under win98se... since i only use win98se...

now, i was advised to shift unto win2k, and i would like to ask the users of win2k here at the forum what will i have to deal with in using it? i intend on using the pc win2k will be installed in as a 24hour tiny server... but i'm not asking about serving...

i would like to know what other features will i get in using win2k..

no links for now... that's why i'm asking here at the board, so that i won't have to read so many long articles...  

thanks everyone.  

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Other than NTFS/EFS(I think...), Different API calls to shutdown windows. Slightly different methods for other calls. More information that you can get from windows about files and stuff. Oh, and less likely chance of crashing windows over a "bad" program... I didn't have any problems program wise of putting a VB program on a 9x machine to a 2k one (couldn't debug some routines given permission issues for shutting down, but that's a given).

What all are you looking for? (I've been on NT4, 2K, XP, 95, 98, 98se, ME).



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through the world of windows and back, eh?  

i have been using pws for just a short while now, and i'd like to know more about iis..

JL, have you used IIS? what does it have that PWS doesn't?

thanks for not posting links... i appreciate it.  

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Out of curiosity vbgen, why aren't you considering going to xp??


Cheers Steve

Cheers! if i move towards xp... i would feel that i'd have to go and purchase OfficeXp as well... (since i am upgrading, why not do it properly?) ... and here, it costs a lot!!!  

and, since i've always been a 98'r, i have no idea if XP can "serve"... (does XP have IIS or something of its equivalent?) i mean, windows 2000 or windows 2000 server does have IIS, and is often used by small to medium sized companies as their webserver... (those who can't afford those really major bigtime server units or mainframes)

(..yes, i am speaking in terms of the companies here in my country... )



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Reason I ask is I'm running ME and am considering upgrading my OS, I'm also interested in running my own web site and would be interested to know which version of xp I would need to do that (home,professional,server) I can by an oem copy of xp home for about £60 (uk) about ($90), or upgrade my ME to XP pro for about $200. Don't really want to pay to much either  

well, then... we're on the same boat on this topic, aren't we...

heck, i don't mind about the cost for unlimited internet connection, whether via dsl or not...

and i don't mind about electricity expenses...

those two i can charge my clients, at the minimum, to cover the entire expense... it's just that i want to be certain about the technology i'm using....



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I'll see what I can find out. But for a starter have a look at this one.

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/whichxp.asp

[Edited by steve_w on 04-08-2003 at 03:18 PM GMT]

well, steve... i haven't checked the link, and probably won't til later yet...

thanks anyway... i will ask around about xp as well... though i feel set on windows 2000 server.

  

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PWS is a Personal web server, IIS is more of a corporate (although really picky about some stuff. I and a network admin spent 3 days trying to get one working for a company - 2 domains, different access rights, data being drawn across 3-4 domains.)

WinXP PRO should have IIS.
Win2000 all have IIS (I believe, have to check with Microsoft)

WinXP Home is the PRO edition with EFS, and other things (IIS) removed. PWS doesn't work with XP Home (seen some hacks to get it to work... but it never did).



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What's kind of messed up with the XP is this:

XP Pro has a 10 client max for the IIS 5.1
XP HOME can't run IIS.

XP Pro is the upgrade for business
XP Home is the upgrade for home

IIS 5.1 is the program to replace PWS.
PWS was designed for 9x line not NT line.

Seems a bit strange that the XP Home is designed for home, yet they remove home types of programs from it; then take the business program out of the business version (PRO) and put the home version in it.

Windows 2003 Server does come with IIS (6.0).




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yeah, JL... it's strange... they can't seem to put a proper and significant difference for deciding which is "Home" and what is "Pro"...

i think i have to start re-evaluating my options...

thanks people... i can see clearer now...

though i'd appreciate more posts or replies still.  

JL, so windows 2003 server has the newest verison of IIS?

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I just switched to Win 2000 (pro and server) opting NOT to go with XP. Besides the things others have already mentioned, really the main reason was it's professional feel. So far it has been great - things to look out for no matter which you switch to: setting up all the security, and having some programs not work anymore (check your compatibility with your software - anything MS is probably OK, but I had a bunch of older programs not function). Like I said, I knew the XP bells and whistles wouldn't be used so Win2000 was my choice. (Security and Stability were my priorities, and I think 2000 was a little cheaper too). Also, WinXP has that annoying "Activation" thing...Win2000 does not.

(btw, lately I have been considering a dual boot Win2000/98 system to work with my old software. If anyone has done this and has any feedback I would be interested in hearing it...)


All this aside, I may be biased...I had a XP machine for a few weeks at work and it caused me nothin but trouble. One particular VB project I was working on at the time I ended up having to revert to a previous copy - I think because I was moving it and working on it from the XP puter at work, to my old Win98 puter at home...somewhere in the mix the program ended up not working on either machine! This ticked me off (as you can imagine) and since I had never had something like this happen before I attributed it to XP...now I won't use it...


WinXP computer --->


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Just to be fair I do have a few collegues who love XP and swear by it...but I don't know why..... these are also the same fellas with MS "themes" enabled on their computers...I feel a rant coming on, I better stop now....................

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Hey Bean, whats wrong with schemes my seven year is always changing his.

Still don't know what to go for, I have a few project ideas that I want to write at home with a view to selling. My guess is that with the next year or two most people are going to be using XP, so I thought that if I was using XP then there is less likely to be conflicts when distributing the software. I've only got one home pc and don't want another so would I be better off using someone elses web space for selling the software , or could I use my own pc as my web server and as a development pc.

well... i do reckon you think about it so much... since it's going to be difficult changing minds when one's already installed..  

but, i guess we really are in the same situation... i am to provide a service, on the other hand, apart from product selling...

steve... what do you think about windows 2003 server? how about you, bean, or JL!



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Steve: Win_Dir hosted his sites in the past using XP...he might be able to provide you with some advice -as well as another opinion on this subject. He has switched to Win 2000 (server?) now though I think. I have hosted sites on Win2000 and 2000 Server quite easily and with very little problems.

As for Win 2003 Server, I have no idea. I haven't seen anything more than the box. I do know that I won't be buying it for quite some time since I already have 2000 Server.


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Win_Dir is on vacation camping, I think he'll be back at the end of the week.

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waitaminute...

won't it be possible to seriously host my site with my ip address?

or do i really have to register a domain name?

i can't seem to get in touch with my cousin abroad... he told me that he's hosting his site using merely his ip address...

i'm really uncertain

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Windows 2003 is the XP server edition really (XP is Win 2002). But it is the newest IIS server (2000-5.0, XP-5.1, 2003-6.0).

Never seen it other than the advertisements on Microsoft's webpage, since any searches takes you there now.

I think you can have a server with just an IP. Someone I know of uses a home PC and a broadband connection to have his own mail server and website.

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I agree...I think you can host with your IP...but is your IP static?

I have a friend who hosts his own FTP server over DSL with just his IP and WS_FTP Server...soooooooo....

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well, thanks, you two...

i'm not sure if my IP is static...

i do have an evaluation copy of windows 2003 server... though the people here don't want me to install it... or even try...

this isn't my terminal... that's why i plan on getting my OWN!!!



geez... a broadband connection? won't that cost?  

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Cheapest broadband in the uk (not much use to you though vbgen) that I have found is with NTL, currently with free installation , £18 per month for 150k connection, £25 per month for 600k and £35 for 1M.

Not sure if they're static or not.

Think I'll go for xp pro as its only a hobby for home.  I'm still using NT4 at work and i'm fed up of it.

well, i'm glad for you, if you're certain on that already...

i on the other hand.. have another question...

i have PWS installed, and i tried to access my pc from another pc, both of which are connected to the internet...

i tried my typing my IP address, but i can't reach my pc at all?

what's wrong? could it be that i don't have a static IP address?



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I am not sure if PWS can serve over the internet  - I have never used it. Having a static IP just means that you have a unique,nonchanging IP address assigned to you...and usually this costs more than a dynamic ip address (which can change every time you log-on)- so you would probably know if you had a static one or not. Either way, a first step in diagnosis might be to ping the computer with the PWS installed. (just in case you need to know how...goto command prompt type...

ping xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx

where the x's are your IP address...)



If thats successful, then look to PWS...




btw...
Also just in case...to determine your IP address-

Win98-goto Start->Run->type "winipcfg"

Win2000-goto Start->Run->type "cmd" for a command prompt then type "ipconfig"

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thanks, bean... will try it out...



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